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Old 08-05-17, 05:22 PM   #6201
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Old 09-05-17, 09:14 AM   #6202
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Old 09-05-17, 09:14 AM   #6203
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Turnbill? I've been calling him Trumbull!

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Old 09-05-17, 11:17 AM   #6204
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Old 09-05-17, 09:06 PM   #6205
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pretty impressed with the budget so far tbh
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Old 09-05-17, 09:20 PM   #6206
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well that seals it I guess, Turnball is a cuck
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Old 10-05-17, 11:13 AM   #6207
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Lmao bludger drug tests

How do they do it

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Old 10-05-17, 12:10 PM   #6209
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Bill shorten on the today show called it a kick in the guts for domestic violence victims.

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Old 10-05-17, 12:13 PM   #6210
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lol fucken hell
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Old 10-05-17, 12:14 PM   #6211
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Old 10-05-17, 01:45 PM   #6212
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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
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Facts a details have no place in my bleeding heart
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Old 10-05-17, 02:36 PM   #6214
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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
the cashless card is going to piss them off though, because iirc the government can restrict spending on cigarettes & alcohol on top of the whole "no handy cash" issue
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Old 10-05-17, 02:36 PM   #6215
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unless that was just the trial they proposed in Redfern
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Old 10-05-17, 02:48 PM   #6216
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lol used to work at a woolies servo and woolies used to have these cards. the amount of bogans who threatened me because i wouldnt sell them ciggies as per stated limitation of the card... oh boy
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Old 10-05-17, 03:12 PM   #6217
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I don't really mind if people cant use welfare money for vices. What's the issue here? If they really want drug money they can still source it elsewhere

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Old 10-05-17, 03:26 PM   #6218
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lol used to work at a woolies servo and woolies used to have these cards. the amount of bogans who threatened me because i wouldnt sell them ciggies as per stated limitation of the card... oh boy
fuck, I can only imagine

- can't buy smokes
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- can't get cash out

there'll be some form of secondary economy, where you buy someone else's groceries or pay their bills in exchange for cash
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Wow imagine if we all turned to God rather than relied on the State to be our parents
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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
key issue with that is drug tests are 300+ a pop, wonder if we'll actually be saving money in the long run
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My own concern is that this will lead to an eventual normalisation of drug testing that could lead to it being rolled out by employers like in the states

You have to wonder if the policy is partly influenced by lobbying performed by American drug testing companies who have exhausted their home market

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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
key issue with that is drug tests are 300+ a pop, wonder if we'll actually be saving money in the long run
oh that's fucked then
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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
key issue with that is drug tests are 300+ a pop, wonder if we'll actually be saving money in the long run
It's long term planning. Getting somebody off drugs for 1 year could turn around the next 50 years of their life
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Not to mention their children's life.


Getting off drugs will stop the cycle of poverty for many
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Old 11-05-17, 12:32 PM   #6230
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Do we know how good the stated plan is going to be at getting people off drugs? Old habits die hard

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Old 11-05-17, 12:39 PM   #6231
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That's a good reason to not try anything
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Old 11-05-17, 12:56 PM   #6232
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Its a good reason to try the thing we believe has the best chance of working. What assurance do we have that this is that thing?

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There was that cashless welfare card trial in Kalgoorlie, did those findings get presented?

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mfw a christian monarchy would be less invasive to privacy than a liberal democracy

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Lizard shape-shifting aliens are running a child rape centre underground in a pizza shop for world leaders

Dekar: no skepticism required


Giving cashless welfare may reduce dependency on drugs and alcohol in long term unemployed

Dekar: this seems far fetched, where are the peer reviewed trials which justify trialing this idea

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tbf with the former one he has evidence, and he has none with the latter
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I can't tell if you're misrepresenting me or if you legitimately think this is what I believe

if it's the former, then idk carry on I guess

if it's the latter, then you're mistaken about what I believe and you seem to think that people can't have different evidentiary standards for individual beliefs versus policy decisions
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had a storm of posts about the drug testing stuff on my fb feed saying people caught on drugs will lose their payments

just seems disingenuous to say shit like that when they'll just be given a cashless card for welfare, that seems like a pretty decent solution
key issue with that is drug tests are 300+ a pop, wonder if we'll actually be saving money in the long run
It's long term planning. Getting somebody off drugs for 1 year could turn around the next 50 years of their life
absolutely, and my understanding is they have programs in place to help them jump off and its not a case of 'haha ur on drugs get cut off' or something. seems pretty sensible.
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