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Old 07-12-14, 05:23 PM   #1
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I'm in the market, any recommendations
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Old 07-12-14, 05:25 PM   #2
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depends on what you're after

if you're after quick and easy just get a nespresso or a delonghi one
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Old 07-12-14, 05:57 PM   #3
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you mean as in an espresso machine? if so, go a gaggia classic or a rancilio silvia. i lucked out and found a gaggia classic at the salvos for like $20 or something. should be able to get a second hand one off ebay for like $200 and up
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I'm thinking more like ~$1000 range
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Old 07-12-14, 06:18 PM   #5
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brand new both those machines are up around there
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Old 07-12-14, 06:18 PM   #6
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prob more like 7 or 8 hundred
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Old 07-12-14, 06:26 PM   #7
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oh btw, after you buy a grinder you'll be bang on that budget ftr. 7-8 for either of those machines 2-3 for a grinder
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Old 07-12-14, 06:27 PM   #8
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so 9-1.1k
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Old 07-12-14, 06:28 PM   #9
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if you wind up going the gaggia, i recommend buying the steam wand from the silvia if you're going to make a lot of milk drinks. you can straight swap them over and the silvia one is heaps better
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if you wind up going the gaggia, i recommend buying the steam wand from the silvia if you're going to make a lot of milk drinks. you can straight swap them over and the silvia one is heaps better
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Yeah i have a grinder and an espresso machine although my machine is just a cheapy sunbeam one for $300 or something
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I don't like nespresso or any capsule machine for that matter
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i have one of each. during the work week i just have a pod coffee, weekend i bust out the other machine
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yeah i have a capsule machine as well. problem was, i was too cheap to dish out a decent amount for gear, so i got a $20 classic from the salvos and a hand crank burr grinder, which while being cheap is still good. but yeah, being a hand crank it's a bit of a pain. often times i just cbf so i pop a capsule in the capsule machine
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oh plus i only like milk heated up with a steam wand
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those milk jug whirlpool heating things are shit and microwave milk is shit
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yeah mate its called a fucken kettle and some nespresso ya PUSSY MAN UP ahahahahashdaoihsdqwehjiorwded
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srsly though no im sorry i dont
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i hope this helped
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Cheap $350 one. Does the job
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So I ignored Mitten's advice and got a good boxing day deal on a sunbeam

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Done 3 so far.

1st one sucked
2nd was ok
3rd was decent but I still can't froth milk well
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any tips on how to not have ground coffee everywhere? spend more time cleaning the fucker than using it
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Done 3 so far.

1st one sucked
2nd was ok
3rd was decent but I still can't froth milk well
this is the problem you'll often encounter with the cheaper machines or machines from less reputable brands. well, i mean, at this stage it's prob your technique and learning to pull a shot properly which is the problem. but inconsistency is really the bugbear of the lesser machines.

they're simple machines, really. all the espresso machine needs to do is put water at a temperature of 90-96 degrees through a group head at a pressure of 8-10 bar. the cheaper machines tend to not have as fine tolerances, so the likelihood of achieving those criteria can fluctuate wildly between cups. the other big problem with them is cheaper materials. when i bought mine i did a project club on me opening it up and cleaning it all out. everything in there was good thick brass. which not only helps along the two criteria i listed, it improves longevity. cheaper machines tend to make worse and worse coffees the more you use them. ultimately this also leads them to a failure which renders them no longer usable sooner. plastic parts and pressure just don't tend to play well. that's why i had no qualms buying my gaggia second hand. where as i'd have been a lot more wary buying one of the lower model sunbeams or whatever second hand.

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shoulda brought mittens to the coffee machine shop with you irs

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Old 27-12-14, 08:27 PM   #27
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any tips on how to not have ground coffee everywhere? spend more time cleaning the fucker than using it
what are you doing to get coffee grounds everywhere? where is it coming from? if it's coming from the portafilter once you take it out the machine, you're doing a shoddy job of tamping the grounds
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Done 3 so far.

1st one sucked
2nd was ok
3rd was decent but I still can't froth milk well
this is the problem you'll often encounter with the cheaper machines or machines from less reputable brands. well, i mean, at this stage it's prob your technique and learning to pull a shot properly which is the problem. but inconsistency is really the bugbear of the lesser machines.

they're simple machines, really. all the espresso machine needs to do is put water at a temperature of 90-96 degrees through a group head at a pressure of 8-10 bar. the cheaper machines tend to not have as fine tolerances, so the likelihood of achieving those criteria can fluctuate wildly between cups. the other big problem with them is cheaper materials. when i bought mine i did a project club on me opening it up and cleaning it all out. everything in there was good thick brass. which not only helps along the two criteria i listed, it improves longevity. cheaper machines tend to make worse and worse coffees the more you use them. ultimately this also leads them to a failure which renders them no longer usable sooner. plastic parts and pressure just don't tend to play well. that's why i had no qualms buying my gaggia second hand. where as i'd have been a lot more wary buying one of the lower model sunbeams or whatever second hand.
I don't think it's as cheap and shit as you think, but time will tell.

My problem is more about playing with grind settings and figuring out the right amount of beans/how much to compress them. I'm pretty sure once I have that to a routine it will do well.

I have to learn how to steam milk properly too
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shoulda brought mittens to the coffee machine shop with you irs

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i'm not saying irs is a sucker and bought a lemon, was just a general observation. i know nothing about the model irs got. i just did a lot of reading on the subject before i bought mine and the two i recommended are the two that are most often praised at that price point.
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Done 3 so far.

1st one sucked
2nd was ok
3rd was decent but I still can't froth milk well
this is the problem you'll often encounter with the cheaper machines or machines from less reputable brands. well, i mean, at this stage it's prob your technique and learning to pull a shot properly which is the problem. but inconsistency is really the bugbear of the lesser machines.

they're simple machines, really. all the espresso machine needs to do is put water at a temperature of 90-96 degrees through a group head at a pressure of 8-10 bar. the cheaper machines tend to not have as fine tolerances, so the likelihood of achieving those criteria can fluctuate wildly between cups. the other big problem with them is cheaper materials. when i bought mine i did a project club on me opening it up and cleaning it all out. everything in there was good thick brass. which not only helps along the two criteria i listed, it improves longevity. cheaper machines tend to make worse and worse coffees the more you use them. ultimately this also leads them to a failure which renders them no longer usable sooner. plastic parts and pressure just don't tend to play well. that's why i had no qualms buying my gaggia second hand. where as i'd have been a lot more wary buying one of the lower model sunbeams or whatever second hand.
I don't think it's as cheap and shit as you think, but time will tell.

My problem is more about playing with grind settings and figuring out the right amount of beans/how much to compress them. I'm pretty sure once I have that to a routine it will do well.

I have to learn how to steam milk properly too
a proper consistent grind is absolutely pivotal. you'll never get a consistently good coffee unless your grinder is capable of producing uniform grounds every time. size is something you'll learn and dial in. uniformity is not. your machine either does it or it's shit.

with tamping, the old rule of thumb is 15kg of force. some people put the portafilter with the basket of grounds on a kitchen scale to get a feel for what 15kg of force is. you may also run into the problem of a single tamp with an undersized tamper lets grounds push up between the tamper and the basket, so you get this rim of uncompressed grounds around the top of the basket (which will fall out everywhere once you remove the portafilter from the machine). the way to deal with this is to do a really light tamp to start forming the puck, whack the edge of the portafilter against your kitchen counter or whatever to make that rim collapse on top of your puck, then do your ~15kg tamp.
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for steaming, a thermometer helps, if you dont have one. easiest to go by the sound to get a good texture for things like lattes or whatever. just look up yt videos and try to copy them.
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you can time your shots too btw, to get a sense of whether your grounds are too large or too fine
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fuck me this all sounds like a lot of work

what are the benefits of a machine vs an aeropress?

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fuck me this all sounds like a lot of work

what are the benefits of a machine vs an aeropress?

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milk steamer?
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fair enough

I don't add milk

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that's the best part m80
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I add butter + mct oil

basically the same thing

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Sunbeam is shit m8. Should have listened to mittens.
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I've got an aeropress laying around somewhere
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I figured mittens would support an aussie icon like sunbeam
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